The Connector Podcast - FinanceX #24 - Summer Edition - Fintech’s Trust Reset

Fintech is swimming in capital, yet the deal count collapses and the message is blunt: the market still funds big ideas, but it no longer rewards sloppy execution. We call this moment the “summer compression” a quiet reset where operational discipline, transparency, and provable trust replace the old era of growth-at-any-cost storytelling. If you build in payments, banking, compliance, or financial technology strategy, this is the shift that will decide who survives the next cycle. 

We dig into why Europe is forcing maturity with real deadlines: the EU AI Act makes explainability a live requirement for credit, risk, and fraud models, and instant payments push verification of payee as a baseline safety check. From there, we use Romania’s fintech ecosystem to show how consolidation really looks on the ground: revenue concentration, a profitability gap, and a new hybrid consensus where banks bring scale and trust while fintechs provide the infrastructure plumbing. 

Then we zoom out to the modern growth playbook: a profitable neobank expands across markets by staying lean with an AI assistant embedded in operations and by focusing hard on one segment digital nomads and cross-border professionals. That focus ties directly to the next infrastructure upgrade, EPC’s OCTINST and ISO 20022, which aim to make cross-border instant payments feel as seamless as domestic transfers. But speed creates a “speed trap” for fraud teams, so we explore agentic AI, “human plus agent” oversight, and what audit-ready governance must look like when money moves in seconds. 

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VC Money, Fewer Bets

SPEAKER_01 0:00

So back in 2025, venture capitalists poured this uh really staggering amount of money. I mean $116 billion into financial technology companies globally.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Yeah, which is just an absolute mountain of cash.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Right. It is. But the wild part is despite all that money, the actual number of deals that got made hit an eight-year low. Wow. Yeah. So the money is clearly there, but you know, the patience for those old fake it till you make it startups, that is completely dead.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

It's uh it's a phenomenal contradiction when you look at it on paper. You've got this massive liquidity, but just absolute zero tolerance for hype.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Exactly. And that is exactly why we're here today. So welcome to this deep dive. Today we're exploring a really fascinating stack of articles and research from the summer 2026 edition of Finance X magazine. And our mission for you today is to decode what industry insiders are currently calling the summer compression.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

The summer compression, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Yeah, it's this massive, quiet rewiring of the global financial system. The flashy parties are over, the noise has vanished, and this rigorous operational discipline is taking

Defining The Summer Compression

SPEAKER_01 1:05

over.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

We really are witnessing a profound shift in the architecture of the industry. It's a transition from a landscape driven almost entirely by, you know, experimentation to one that is strictly governed by execution.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Okay. Let's unpack this. Because Andrew Crin from Video Global, he lays out this core thesis in the magazine perfectly. He argues that the first half of 2026 wasn't marked by like a single crazy black swan event. Right. Or even one sweeping law. It was more of a tightening of the atmosphere. Like AI is no longer a fun toy you use to write emails, right? It's a strict governance issue.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

And instant payments aren't some neat infrastructure project to brag about anymore. They are a basic expectation, like the lights turning on when you flip a switch. It really feels like an industry-wide coming of age.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Yeah, it really does.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

If the fintech sector used to be uh that teenager who threw wild expensive house parties with their parents' money, this summer compression is that same teenager finally growing up, putting on a suit, and trying to get a mortgage. You know, you have to prove institutional readiness.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

I love that analogy because I mean, getting a mortgage requires paperwork, audits, a proven track record.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Things a teenager hates.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Exactly. Things a teenager hates. And if we connect this to the bigger picture, this shift toward maturity is largely being forced by incredibly strict regulatory timelines that are no longer theoretical. They have arrived.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Right, they're here.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Europe

EU Deadlines Force Real Governance

SPEAKER_00 2:30

is really the epicenter forcing this right now. The EU AI Act becomes a live, enforceable issue on August 2nd, 2026.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Aaron Powell Wow, so right around the corner.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Yeah. So if you're a financial institution using an AI model to approve credit or uh assess risk, you can no longer just say, well, the algorithm figured it out. You have to prove exactly how it works to a regulator. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

And it's not just AI, right? I mean, the actual movement of money is getting regulated into maturity, too.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Aaron Powell Completely. The European Central Bank's instant payments timetable made verification of pay mandatory in Euro area countries late last year.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Aaron Powell Okay. And for those who might be unfamiliar, verification of payee just means the banking system automatically checks that the name of the person you're sending money to actually matches the I-BAN or the account number.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Aaron Powell Right. Before the money even leaves your account.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Exactly. Which sounds basic, but implementing that across thousands of banks takes massive engineering discipline.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Because it's huge undertaking. Yeah. The old race was simply about who could launch the fastest app. The new battleground is entirely about who can be trusted to operate at high speed.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Trust, not speed, is the new currency. So what does this demand for commercial discipline actually look like out in the wild? I want to pivot to a specific microcosm from our sources, which is Romania.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Ah, yes. The Keysfin report.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Right. The Keysfin report in our stack looks at the Romanian fintech ecosystem and it illustrates a market that has aggressively made this transition

Instant Payments Need Verification

SPEAKER_01 4:00

from height to discipline. According to the report, Romania is no longer a future or emerging market. It is very much a now market.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

The numbers there are pretty wild.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Yeah. Turnover hit a record 82.7 million euros in 2024, which is a 143% jump since 2020.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

That kind of sustained growth is impressive, but you know, the structure of that market is what really reveals the reality of the summer compression.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

Aaron Powell Because the wealth is highly concentrated, five companies control 86% of the revenue. Yes. It's led by a company called SelfPay, which generated 47.5 million euros in turnover and pulled in 6.5 million in pure profit. But I have to push back on this razy picture for a second. Okay. Because there is a deeply sobering statistic buried in this text. Out of 29 companies analyzed in that report, only 12 were actually profitable last year. Right. So if over half the market is still losing money, aren't we just looking at a financial hunger games? Like eventually the massive traditional banks are just going to eat the survivors, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Well, this raises an important question, and it is a very common fear when an industry consolidates like this. But what we're actually observing is a shakeout phase, not a slaughter.

Romania’s Fintech Shakeout Reality

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Yeah. The dynamic has shifted. It's no longer this zero-sum war between scrappy startups and legacy banks. Look at the recent RofinTech Awards Gala mentioned in the source. The leadership award went to Omer Tetic, the CEO of Banca Transylvania.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Which is fascinating. A traditional bank CEO winning the top prize at a disruptive fintech gala.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

It speaks volumes about the new consensus, which is a hybrid model. Yeah. Banks provide the massive scale, the deep regulatory capital, and the consumer trust.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

And the highly efficient fintechs, the ones actually surviving the shakeout, they provide the plumbing. They build the back-end infrastructure that the banks use.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Making things run smoothly.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Exactly. And the margins these plumbing companies are achieving are staggering because they aren't burning millions of dollars on consumer marketing or customer acquisition anymore. The report highlights a company called FinWare with a 31.8% net margin.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

That's huge.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

And Bull Technologies, which reportedly operated with a 148.9% EBITDA margin.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Wait, hold on. Let me stop you there. 148.9% EBITDA margin. I mean, I might just be a podcaster, but mathematically, you cannot have a margin over 100% unless there is some serious accounting sorcery going on. Margin is a percentage of revenue. You can't keep more than you make.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

You caught that, and you are entirely correct. It is mathematically impossible in standard day-to-day operations.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Okay, so what's going on there?

SPEAKER_00 6:35

What the Keysfin report is likely capturing there with bold technologies is a specific accounting anomaly for that fiscal year. For instance, they might have had a massive one-off asset sale, like selling a piece of intellectual property.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Or they might be aggressively capitalizing their software development costs, which temporarily

Profits, Margins, Accounting Oddities

SPEAKER_00 6:55

inflates EBITDA on paper. But even if you strip away the accounting quirks to find their normalized margin, the underlying story remains incredibly strong.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

They're still making a ton of money.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Right. These B2B infrastructure companies are generating a staggering amount of cash relative to their operational footprint. They escaped the cash burn trap. They aren't trying to be banks, they're just making the banks better.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

They survived the teenager phase and got the mortgage.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Precisely that.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

So if efficiency and B2B utility are the keys to surviving this compression as a back-end provider, how does a modern consumer-facing digital bank actually survive? That brings us to Bunk, the European Neobank profiled in the magazine, because they aren't hiding in the back end, they're out there in the consumer trenches.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

And their blueprint is a masterclass in this new era of operational discipline.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

They are currently in their third consecutive year of profitability. They posted 34.6 million euros in pre-tax profit in 2025, serving 22 million users across 30 European markets. It's massive. And they are expanding furiously. They applied for a U.S. broker dealer license. They filed for a full OCC banking license in the U.S. in January 2026, and a Mexican banking license in May

A Neobank That Stays Profitable

SPEAKER_01 8:10

2026.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Aaron Powell I want to pause on that OCC license for a moment because it really highlights their ambition. The Office of the Controller of the Currency in the U.S., getting an OCC charter means you aren't just partnering with a small regional bank to borrow their regulatory umbrella, which is what most startups do.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Aaron Powell Right. The usual banking as a service play.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Exactly. You are applying to be a fully regulated, direct national bank in the United States. It is a grueling expensive process.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

And to handle that kind of massive global footprint while staying profitable, the article notes they run heavily on an AI assistant named Finn.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Aaron Powell Yeah, Finn is fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

It's not just a chatbot for customers. Finn is woven into their actual back office operations, automating fraud detections, support routing, and compliance checks. That keeps their headcount lean while they scale.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

They are arguably one of the busiest neobanks in the world from a regulatory bandwidth perspective.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Aaron Powell But here's where it gets really interesting. We have an interview in the stack with their chief evangelist Joe Wilson. The inviewer practically begs him to talk about their massive competitors. Companies like Revolute, which absolutely dominates places like Ireland and much of the UK. Right. And Wilson flat out refuses to engage. He says, you can't build something extraordinary by following someone else's stuff. You'll always be chasing. I have to challenge this logic, though. Is it really a sustainable strategy for a global bank to just put on blinders, ignore trillion-dollar giants in your sector, and pretend you're operating in a vacuum?

SPEAKER_00 9:37

It sounds counterintuitive, perhaps even a bit arrogant from the outside. But if you synthesize Wilson's broader philosophy, it's actually hyper-pragmatic. Bunk isn't trying to be the universal everything app for every single person on Earth.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

They are obsessively focused on one very specific demographic, digital nomads, expats, and internationally minded professionals.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

The people whose lives don't fit neatly inside one country's borders.

Building For Digital Nomads Only

SPEAKER_00 10:05

That's the core of it. Wilson estimates there are about 50 million people in this specific category right now. So Bunk's entire product roadmap isn't driven by what Revolute just launched in London. It is driven entirely by their own audience's need for frictionless cross-border living.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

That makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

These people need an instant, fully functioning bank account the morning they land in a new country. They need seamless currency handling and travel insurance that actually follows them across borders without fine print exemptions.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Okay, yeah. If your specific user base tells you they are all taking remote jobs in Mexico, you don't look at a competitor spreadsheet, you just go file for a Mexican banking license.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Their strategy works because the audience dictates the engineering.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

But to serve that audience of 50 million global nomads and to power those highly efficient new ecosystems we saw in Romania, the literal pipes moving global money have to be upgraded. Absolutely. If bunk is securing all these licenses to cater to nomads, they can't rely on the old fragmented banking pipes to move that money. They need infrastructure that crosses borders as easily as their customers do.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Aaron Powell And historically, crossing borders is where financial plumbing gets incredibly expensive, painfully slow, and highly prone to errors.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

Aaron Powell Right. So according to the magazine, there is a new solution from the European Payments Council, or EPC. It's called the One Legout Instant Credit Transfer Scheme.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Aaron Powell Thankfully they shortened that to OCTINST.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Yeah, OCTINST is much better. Basically, it connects the blazing fast European SEPARails, the single euro payments area, which handles domestic European transfers with non-Euro global systems. It allows cross-border payments to happen in seconds, not days.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

Huge upgrade.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

And it does this using a rich data standard called ISO 2022. I look at this and think of it like a universal travel adapter for global money.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

That is a brilliant way

Cross-Border Instant Payments With OCTINST

SPEAKER_00 11:55

to frame it. Because before this, the plug simply didn't match.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

But let me push back on the necessity of this for a second. We have massive tier one banks out there, institutions with trillions of dollars under management that have been moving money globally for a century. Why is a wonky regulatory scheme like Ofi TINST so crucial for the smaller players and neobanks we've been talking about? Didn't the big banks already solve cross-border money?

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Well, they solved it, but they solved it through a very closed, expensive system known as correspondent banking networks. Imagine a customer trying to send money from a local bank in Spain to a vendor in Singapore. Under the old system, your money didn't just fly directly there, it had to bounce through three or four different intermediary banks across the globe.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Like connecting flights.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Exactly. And every single one of those correspondent banks acts like a toll booth. They take a fee, they do their own compliance checks, and they add days to the transaction time. Only the absolute largest monolithic banks could afford to build and maintain the liquidity for those massive global networks.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Aaron Powell So smaller players like the innovative startups were just priced out of offering a competitive cross-border service.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

They were effectively locked out of the global game. But OCT Inst changes the paradigm because it is evolutionary, not disruptive. It allows a smaller payment service provider to take the instant domestic infrastructure they already built and simply plug it into this global adapter.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Oh, that's clever.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Plus, you mentioned ISO 2022. That standard allows incredibly rich data, like full invoice details, complex names, and addresses to travel with the money. It stops the transfer from getting held up by an automated compliance flag in another country just because an initial was missing.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Oh, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

The source even cites the Spanish market, where local payment providers found that implementing OCT inst was actually cheaper than setting up their initial domestic instant payment systems. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

That is a massive leveling of the playing field because customers don't see borders anymore, they just expect speed. Whether you're sending money to a friend across the street or paying a contractor across the Atlantic, you expect the notification to pop up on their phone in two seconds.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

And that very expectation of instantaneous speed introduces the darkest, most challenging

The Speed Trap For Fraud Teams

SPEAKER_00 14:10

aspect of this entire evolution.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

The speed trap.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

If OCT Inst and systems like FedNow in the United States allow global money to move in under two seconds, that is fantastic for Bunks digital nomad buying a coffee in Mexico. But it is an absolute nightmare for law enforcement and stopping financial crime.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Because the criminals are extremely early adopters. They get to use those exact same two-second rails.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Right. The source material features a piece from Zovin AI that lays this threat out terrifyingly well. If a syndicate hacks an account or runs a scam, they can now use instant rails to rotate those stolen funds across dozens of international accounts, converting it into different currencies before a human compliance analyst has even finished their morning coffee.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

It's just too fast.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Analysts are just burning out looking at false alarms while the real criminals move at the speed of light.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

But the fraudsters are dynamic. They just start

Agentic AI That Writes The Case

SPEAKER_00 15:25

sending $9,999.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Aaron Powell So the proposed solution in the magazine is a leap forward called agentic AI. The piece explains that unlike basic machine learning that just spits out a numerical risk score for a single isolated transaction, agentic AI actually reasons.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Aaron Powell It thinks about the broader context.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Trevor Burrus Yeah. It builds full relationship maps, it correlates the IP address of the sender, the corporate registry history of the beneficiary, the velocity of the transactions, and prior alerts. It actually drafts a full, readable, suspicious activity narrative before a human even opens the file. By doing that, it drops those false positives by 60 to 70 percent.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

It is a monumental shift in capability. It's the difference between a legacy system flashing a red light and saying, this number looks bad, versus an agentic AI saying, here is the entire criminal network mapped out, here is how the shell companies connect, and here's exactly why I flagged it.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

I compare it to upgrading your home security. The old rules-based system is like a jumpy guard dog. It barks at the wind, it barks at the mailman, it barks at a plastic bag tumbling down the street. It alerts you to everything until you just start ignoring it. Right. The new agentic AI is like hiring a seasoned veteran detective who sits quietly in the corner and only taps you on the shoulder when they hand you a fully researched, cross-referenced dossier of an actual crime in progress.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

A very apt comparison.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

But, and I have to pump the brakes here, if we let an AI reason and act autonomously to hunt criminals, aren't regulators gonna completely freak out? We talked about the EU AI Act earlier. How do you audit a detective whose brain is made of math?

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Aaron Powell That's the big fear, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Yeah. And honestly, if the AI is that fast and that good, the human is just gonna blindly hit approve to keep up with their quota. It just turns into rubber stamping. How does the industry prevent that black box nightmare?

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Aaron

Human Plus Agent And Audit Trails

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Ross Powell Well, what's fascinating here is how the industry is trying to solve exactly that fear of the rubber stamp. There's an excellent article in the stack by Maxine Grindovich from BeckerTech about building intelligent systems. The key phrase he introduces is human plus agent.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Human plus agent.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Okay. The future they're building is not fully autonomous AI running wild in the financial system. The AI does the heavy lifting, the immense data triage, the truss referencing. But the human being retains the final override, and most importantly, the legal accountability.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

So the UI, the actual software interface, has to force the human to verify the work.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

Yes. The source notes the math on the time savings here. In a traditional compliance environment, a human investigator spends only 15% of their time applying actual analytical judgment. The other 85% is just mind-numbing data, gathering, clicking through different screens, copying and pasting IP addresses, checking corporate registries.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Sounds exhausting.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

It is. In an agentic AI environment, that judgment time shifts to 70%. But as Grinovich wisely notes in his piece, complexity loves to wear the mask of sophistication.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Ooh, that is a great quote. What does he mean by it in the context of compliance?

SPEAKER_00 18:29

He means that if you just bolt a highly complex AI onto a messy, disorganized corporate structure, you're going to get an absolute disaster when you try to scale it. You will get the rubber stamping you fear.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Governance must be light enough to allow speed, but it must be completely visible. The AI has to document every single inferential step, cite every external data source, and preserve its rationale in plain text. So when the regulator inevitably knocks on the door and asks why a transaction was blocked or approved, you can show them exactly how the decision was made. You cannot have a black box in global compliance.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Which brings us all the way back to that core theme of the summer compression: trust. You have to prove institutional readiness, which leads us to the final and honestly the most ironic realization of this entire deep dive.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

The human element required to sustain all of this.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Yes. Think about it. After spending this entire conversation discussing hyperspeed global payments across borders, incredibly complex AI infrastructure, and algorithmic reasoning to catch international criminals. How do the executives actually building these massive futuristic systems

Trust Moves Back To Private Tables

SPEAKER_01 19:35

do business with each other? According to the magazine, they are reverting to the 1680s.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

It is such a brilliant observation by the editors of the magazine.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

The industry is facing massive digital fatigue. The loud, chaotic trade show floors in Vegas or London, where every single booth slaps the word AI on their lanyard just to get a sliver of attention. They are losing their effectiveness.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Nobody wants to go to those anymore.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Exactly. It's too much noise, and everyone's guard is up. The new meta for making multi-million dollar deals is the table of ten. It's these small, highly curated private dinners. The stated topic of the dinner isn't even a sales pitch. The topic is just a good excuse to get the right ten people in a small, quiet room to break bread and actually talk to each other.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

The editorial draws a direct comparison to the origins of Lloyds of London.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Yes. The global insurance market, Lloyd's of London, didn't start in a sterile corporate boardroom. It started in a coffee house in the 1680s because a man named Edward Lloyd curated the most accurate, reliable shipping news. By providing that niche value, he brought the smartest, most influential sea captains and merchants through the door, and the conversations just naturally turn into foundational business deals.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

If we synthesize everything we've explored today, whether we are analyzing the strict, visible governance of AI agents, Bunks' obsessive, borderless banking strategy for nomads, or even just how enterprise software is sold in 2026, the foundational currency of this entire era is trust.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

And trust simply cannot be automated on a crowded convention floor, and it certainly cannot be fast-tracked by burning venture capital on flashy ads. It requires operational discipline, absolute transparency, and genuine human connection.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

You can't fake maturity. The teenager has to actually grow up, put in the work, and build real relationships.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Well, thank you for joining us on this deep dive into the summer compression. It's a truly fascinating time to be watching the financial world quietly rewire its foundations.

When The Buyer Is An Algorithm

SPEAKER_01 21:35

But I want to leave you with a single slightly haunting headline that was buried at the very end of our source material. It's simply read. When the buyer is an algorithm, who are you talking to?

SPEAKER_00 21:44

That's a chilling thought.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

It really is. As agentic AI gets smarter and these systems start taking over corporate procurement, vendor analysis, and risk checking, what happens when human coffee houses aren't enough anymore? Will we eventually reach a point where we have to figure out how to make one AI system take another AI system out to a a nice digital dinner just to build trust? Something for you to ponder. We'll see you on the next deep dive.